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Stopped today heading south to Edinburgh - careless driving because I "ovetook on the left" on a dual carriageway when an OAP hogged the outside lane. Wasnt going stupid speed but 85 was enough for them to get upset (when added to the undertaking)

However - maybe someone can help with a query - although they said that the would be passing a report to the Procurator Fiscal (Scottish Equivalent of the Director of Public Prosecutions) with a recommnedation to charge for Careless Driving they didnt ask me to sign a "ticket" or give me a ticket stating the charge/ etc.

Isnt it a mandatory requirement that they do that or has it all changed

they dont have to give you a written Notice of intended prosecution,

it can be verbal which most seem to be now as the pigs cant be arsed with the paperwork

and unfortunately despite there being some old croan blocking the lane you wanted, the law is the law and you broke it

gem

Gemini wrote: and unfortunately despite there being some old croan blocking the lane you wanted, the law is the law and you broke it

gem

Yep - you are right - I did - but fortunately I had slowed to a sensible 85mph beforehand the undertake and they didnt seem to disturbed by my blacked out visor or my race pipe

Davw wrote:Stopped today heading south to Edinburgh - careless driving because I "ovetook on the left" on a dual carriageway when an OAP hogged the outside lane. Wasnt going stupid speed but 85 was enough for them to get upset (when added to the undertaking)

However - maybe someone can help with a query - although they said that the would be passing a report to the Procurator Fiscal (Scottish Equivalent of the Director of Public Prosecutions) with a recommnedation to charge for Careless Driving they didnt ask me to sign a "ticket" or give me a ticket stating the charge/ etc.

Isnt it a mandatory requirement that they do that or has it all changed

Your NIP would of been verbal by the police officer at the side of the road and they have 6 months from the date of the offence to get you, your court date.

I strongly suggest you get yourself decent legal representation, if old biddy had been sitting in the outside lane and you werent weaving in and out and around traffic, within the highway code it states about a pass on the left hand side if your lane traffic is moving quicker than the traffic in the outside lane.

They really need to remove that law anyway, as the amount of people that now queue in the overtaking/outside lane(s) is silly.

Was it a marked car btw?

Marked or unmarked, it was a bit of a silly thing to do. I mean, when are you ever in such a hurry you have to wazz up the inside?

There's a dual carriageway by me and on Sunday mornings, it seems to always have caravans at every half mile or so in the left doing 45-50mph and everything else in the right hand lane doing 55-60mph
I'll pimp along in the left lane at 60ish, blatantly undertaking all traffic gradually until I can cut into the right lane to overtake the offending caravan.
There's always a score of bikes zooming through the middle at 80-100mph, and I just look ahead to all the criss crossing cars and hope that it doesn't get squished by any of them. Seen a couple of very near misses and clips though.

I just believe that the best times of day to go out for a ride are autumn evenings, when it's dry, cool and no summer tourist traffic round here, and consequently, less fuzz about. So makes for a more safe positive ride all round. - at an average 92mph. Lol.

wonderpupp wrote:Marked or unmarked, it was a bit of a silly thing to do. I mean, when are you ever in such a hurry you have to wazz up the inside?

I am begining to worry about the biking youth of today

On a more serious note - I am thinking about ditching the road bike - it doesnt make sense to drive a bike like a car. Thats not what biking is about (at least not for me) and the penalties now are too high (as are the costs) I might stick to the race track, sell all the road bikes and spend even more money on go faster goodies for the track.

Serious offers on a mint VFR 800 and a slightly less mint but taxed and tested (and super quick with brembos all round) FZR1000

Talking of undertakes i had a car do that to me this morning. Took to the right of the lane to get a view round the corner (left) and this merc that had been up my butt for the last mile decided it was safe for him to undertake Personally i wouldnt have minded so much, on a motorway anyway, but seeing as there were cars coming the other way, there was just about enough room for his car and i had no idea that he was about to do it, i was actually quite pissed off, so much so i gave him the finger.

I think a very small minority of bikers follow the law to the letter, i think were all guilty of a little bending of the rules. How many have thought, 'i shouldnt have done that, but it was fucking fun'?

i always undertake cos there are soo many stupid ignorant f*ckwit car drivers that hog the overtaking and fast lanes, if you don't like undertaking then move the F*CK over!!

Yeah, so, I got pulled over today too.

Contraviening a mandatory direction arrow, is the offense I committed, according to my fine.
(That's going round the wrong side of a keep left bollard island coming out of Cherhill, to the layman).

On the way out of Cherhill heading towards Calne, on the right of the road there are hatchings, in front of some houses and driveways, just before you exit the 40 limit. Just beyond that is a keep left bollard with the NSL sign on it, and just beyond that is a layby, to the left.

As I approached these hatchings and driveways, a dude pulled out on me out of one, giving me not very much time to do much about it. So I braked like mad, then thought 'no, f**k you dude...' and blipped it out past him and around the keep left bollard on the finishing point of the 40 limit.

As I went past, I looked over, in the process of deciding whether or not to give the guy the finger on the way by, and spotted a red mondeo in the layby... and a marked ST220 in front of it, with both the driver and the copper looking at me.

... 'Bugger'. I thought, 'That's fecked it'. Somewhat glad at this point that I didn't decide to flick up the bird at the dude, and inadvertantly, the Policeman...

For a moment I dared hope that I might have got lucky because he was dealing with another stopped driver, but he was just finishing, and I saw the flashing lights coming about ten or twelve cars behind me, so figuring there was no point pretending, I just pinged the indie on and pulled over gradually. He pulled up beside and said 'You're stopping for me, yeah?' so I said 'Yeah, there's a layby about 200 meters further up the road, I'll just pull in there, off the road'. 'Cool, alright', was his response.

When stoped and off the bike, SatNav switched off, etc, he turned to me;
'Yeah, so, if you had been going for a full on pinning it acceleration', he said, 'it might have been construed as dangerous driving, but to be honest it all looked pretty sensible to me. ... Well, apart from the bit where you went the wrong way around the bollard, I mean.'

Thought that was pretty reasonable, myself.

He then turned to me and said 'So tell me about this exhaust you have on here'.

'bullocks', I thought, as currently I've got a real bodge job of a can on her - an ex Aluminium race can, stubbied and steppered from my Micron mid pipe down to the can with a cut and rolled piece of an old Ti Scorpion can. Bodgetastic!

I told him it was a temporary bodge job while I fixed the Micron, which I told him I had off to try to get the big dent out of it - explained that because it was a thin material, if I just tried to tap it out, it'd just make a mess of it, so I was trying to do it with a gentle rolling pushing motion.

Magically, he then replied 'In my opinion, a loud exhaust .... I mean, there's lots of guys who would just see that and go "That's illegal, here's a ticket", but in my opinion, a loud exhaust is a good thing on a bike, because it helps people register you're there'.

Common sense, really, isn't it? There's no ruling on cars, and there's not even an emissions ruling on the MOT for bikes, so wtf is with the legal buggery about road cans on bikes? Just noise, which also doesn't make sense, for the very reason he outlined. Good to hear that coming from a roller, tbh.

In the end, he said 'Yeah, so I'm going to ignore the exhaust, but I'm ticketing you for the offense I saw, which was the contravention of the direction arrow - noone but the police and the ambu... well, the emergency services anyway, have the permission to ignore keep left arrows, so it's a non endorsable offense, that is to say it's not going to be any points on your license, just a straight up £30 fine'.

Fair enough, really, I was being a twat.
*shrugs*

Had a bit of a natter about his ST220, and about his ANPR system, which pinged up an unregistered car while we were doing the ticket writing in the car. Interesting stuff, those things - took about quarter of a second to communicate with the DVLA and ping back to him that it was of interest, though the noise it makes would drive me mad, it's a bit like a supermarket checkout ping, only a bit lower pitched, and it sounds for every. Single. Car. That goes past when he's stopped.

Treat the police like human beings and more often than not, they'll be as reasonable as any other person you'd meet.

yeah i agree, i dont usually say much in fear of incriminating myself, but stand and listen to what they have to say. So far ive managed not to get fined or have points.

I did my uni project on ANPR, as i had to develop a working system using a line scanning camera. Its bloody everywhere. London has a ring of cameras round it to pick up stolen and cars suspected to be owned by terrorists.

Davw wrote:I am beginning to worry about the biking youth of today

I'm hardly a youth, but you can be worried but I prefer to leave my lunacy for empty roads. All the accidents I've had have been the car drivers' fault, so I stay off busier routes. take the B road, enjoy some bends, use all of the tyre, not just the bit in the middle.

that's not to say I won't do 75 down the middle of single carriageway with oncoming traffic, at least the oncoming cars can SEE you zipping towards them and they get out of your way. If they don't, they lose a wing mirror.

It's just undertaking / going up the middle on dual carriageways I don't like. Motorways are ok, enough lanes all round and people tend to be more alert / aware of their surroundings because of the speed and potential danger for everyone.
Dual carriageways are crap.

Or maybe it's the whole "women being safer riders" issue being proved?

I'm guessing everyone else here would overtake on double white lines, even though they are there for a reason then? (not to mention slippery in the wet) Tsk.

masterofinsanity wrote:i always undertake cos there are soo many stupid ignorant f*ckwit car drivers that hog the overtaking and fast lanes, if you don't like undertaking then move the F*CK over!!

Same here! People hogging the overtaking lanes with nothing in the left hand lane for miles sends me batshit crazy!

Pass on the left, indicating left, gesticulating wildly towards the left, sitting upright with both arms out, shaking my head and hopefully making someone realise they're driving like a -ing rubberhead!

ARGHHHHHHH!!!!! :smt013

Ye haw - I love the Grampian Police/ Procurator fiscal. I got a very nice letter saying they had reviewed the details of the offence and on this occaision had decided not to bring criminal charges

Maybe the combination of my helpful, apologetic atitute and maturity paid off (at last) - I have no idea why they dropped this - maybe the courts are bogged down with cases but anyhow - chuffed to bits - might go out for a blast

Davw wrote:Ye haw - I love the Grampian Police/ Procurator fiscal. I got a very nice letter saying they had reviewed the details of the offence and on this occaision had decided not to bring criminal charges

Maybe the combination of my helpful, apologetic atitute and maturity paid off (at last) - I have no idea why they dropped this - maybe the courts are bogged down with cases but anyhow - chuffed to bits - might go out for a blast

You lucky barsket!

Well done!